tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251794512793454139.post4388708098493881777..comments2024-03-25T10:35:36.525-04:00Comments on Bat Detector Reviews: Review: Kaleidoscope Pro Software From Wildlife Acoustics Part 1 Of 2batdetectors@gmail.comhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03073278129551997043noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251794512793454139.post-55450313108217338942022-02-18T15:15:07.280-05:002022-02-18T15:15:07.280-05:00Hi Heather,
Thank you very much for your question....Hi Heather,<br />Thank you very much for your question.<br />If you're working exclusively with European bats, I would recommend SonoChiro. However, you should keep in mind that I found it to be rather slow in processing recordings.<br />As far as processing time, there is no faster software than Kaleidoscope from Wildlife Acoustics. <br />As far as accuracy, I can only speak to the accuracy of Kaleidoscope: I've always found it to be very accurate with my American bats.<br />Unfortunately,I cannot comment on exactly how accurate it is with European bats.<br />Best wishes,<br />Albatdetectors@gmail.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03073278129551997043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251794512793454139.post-23932236133911688052022-02-18T03:34:33.000-05:002022-02-18T03:34:33.000-05:00Hi,
I see you now have done a review of SonoChiro...Hi,<br /><br />I see you now have done a review of SonoChiro. I'm torn between using that and Kaleidoscope for European bats. In your opinion how do the two compare and would you have a preference between the two? Any pros/cons for either? Which one is faster in terms of processing time? Any idea how accuracy compares?<br /><br />Many thanks,<br /><br />Heather.Heatherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11925360060331680408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251794512793454139.post-25316038432254346232022-02-18T03:34:08.565-05:002022-02-18T03:34:08.565-05:00Hi,
I see you now have done a review of SonoChiro...Hi,<br /><br />I see you now have done a review of SonoChiro. I'm torn between using that and Kaleidoscope for European bats. In your opinion how do the two compare and would you have a preference between the two? Any pros/cons for either? Which one is faster in terms of processing time? Any idea how accuracy compares?<br /><br />Many thanks,<br /><br />Heather.Heatherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11925360060331680408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251794512793454139.post-25166680538719483312014-06-13T16:52:25.069-04:002014-06-13T16:52:25.069-04:00No, I haven't. It looks interesting, but it wo...No, I haven't. It looks interesting, but it wouldn't be easy for me to perform a proper test of it - Since it currently doesn't include American bats.<br /><br />Regards,<br />Albatdetectors@gmail.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03073278129551997043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251794512793454139.post-87934098718796419482014-06-13T08:00:13.323-04:002014-06-13T08:00:13.323-04:00Have you used Sonochiro?Have you used Sonochiro?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251794512793454139.post-51006294651171629422014-03-21T11:40:15.953-04:002014-03-21T11:40:15.953-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.batdetectors@gmail.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03073278129551997043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251794512793454139.post-61432382843815384412014-03-21T08:13:34.959-04:002014-03-21T08:13:34.959-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12082316803460663093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251794512793454139.post-7435418736621872342013-06-26T23:02:12.620-04:002013-06-26T23:02:12.620-04:00Thanks again, for your comment.
Well, to be totall...Thanks again, for your comment.<br />Well, to be totally honest, I believe you've made a skeptic of me...Regarding the accuracy issue. My goal has always been to provide accurate and unbiased reviews and information. So, I must get to the bottom of this.I would have to agree, a 42% accuracy rate would be sad. Well, I will do my best, to confirm accuracy levels. And update this Post, if needed.<br />The experience that you've had with Joe at SonoBat sounds great. <br /><br />Thanks,batdetectors@gmail.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03073278129551997043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251794512793454139.post-33065711535951910982013-06-26T13:56:13.047-04:002013-06-26T13:56:13.047-04:00BCI (Bat Conservation Intl.) uses the automated ve...BCI (Bat Conservation Intl.) uses the automated version of Sonobat (3.x). <br /><br />I guess we'll have to agree to disagree about the accuracy issue. :-) Just recently, when I was beta-testing KA, Sonobat 3.x was more accurate, and that was while it was being used to compare accuracy by (Ian)@ Wildlife Acoustics!<br /><br />KA may be faster, yes. But, none of these automated products are very accurate. That's the real bottom-line for me. I was impressed with the speed of KA, but if it's not accurate, who cares? A 42% accuracy rate is pretty bad!<br /><br />It's been my experience that Joe @ Sonnobat will provide you with good service if you're purchasing one of the products. And you will have it available immediately via download, and then he will mail out a CD and hard-copy manual to you fairly quickly. No need to worry about that. He just doesn't field a lot of other questions. If you have a problem with the software, he'll get on it right away. When I purchased the 2.x version it didn't work well with my older AMD CPU chip, which had an early version of "SSE", which is an optimization algorithm. He gave me a re-compiled version the same day and it worked great. My current PC has the newer SSE2/3/etc. capability...<br /><br />Kind Regards,<br />Lone Ranger.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251794512793454139.post-4358181745744709312013-06-23T02:01:18.440-04:002013-06-23T02:01:18.440-04:00Thank you very much for your comment.
My informat...Thank you very much for your comment.<br /><br />My information and sources inform me that SonoBat:<br />-Is losing it's following, among Professionals (frustrated with lack of support)<br />-Is not as accurate as Kaleidoscope Pro (that KP has now surpassed SB in terms of accuracy)<br />-Is ~ 400x slower than Kaleidoscope Pro<br /><br />You raise some interesting points, that I will definitely look into further. I would like to try out the "Manual" version of SonoBat: But, have been reluctant to purchase it. Since I've never received any response to any of my e-mails, how can I even be sure that I would receive a license after sending payment? A little scary, you know?<br /><br />Thanks again. batdetectors@gmail.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03073278129551997043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6251794512793454139.post-87982433395522020262013-06-22T16:45:20.525-04:002013-06-22T16:45:20.525-04:00You're absolutely right about Sonobat support....You're absolutely right about Sonobat support. It's terrible. Joe's not actively working on the product or upgrading it, etc... But, Sonobat is the best product available for bat identification. It was the first and only (until KA) Bat-ID product of it's kind to have a complete call library of the entire United States. And you're dead wrong about professionals not using it. Many bat biologists are using it.<br /><br />ALL of the Bat auto-ID software is highly inaccurate. It has to be checked manually. The results should never be trusted as is and most of these products include something to this effect in the disclaimer. Sonobat certainly does.<br /><br />Kaleidoscope is the worst for accuracy. Just take a look at what it does for MYCA/MYYU. An analysis of Kaleidoscope that I was recently privey to revealed only a 42% accuracy rate in a sample of 8 different western species and only 81% of the high-quality recordings were identified, the rest were thrown out! That's not very good... I wasn't very impressed with the product and it's certainly not worth $1,500.<br /><br />Sonobat's auto-id software is a little better, but none of them are REALLY very good. <br /><br />I would recommend that you check out the "manual" version of Sonobat (approx. $400.00). It has call libraries for the entire US and that's what I use and recommend. <br /><br />Best Regards,<br />Lone Ranger.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com